Debit Theft

Did I just write something about Greg not using credit cards? It appears the theives don't go for the charge cards either.

No, Greg did not lose his debit card. Just like me, thankfully, Greg checks his online banking account daily to verify transactions. He came upon two he didn't make. After research, come to find out that one of the transactions was in Oregon at an ATM machine!

Not only was it frustrating to go through this with the bank, but how on earth did someone get his PIN number? We went over and over how this could have happened, where did he recently shop, who could have stolen this number from him? My response was, "when using the PIN pad, cover it, because you don't know who is looking."

Greg not only had a new card issued and cancelled the other debit card, he also filed a complaint with the Oregon Police Department, because there should be cameras at the ATM machine.

In searching for an answer, I did a quick search on Google.

Just as we thought: "criminals have stolen PIN codes from a retailer.... careless PIN storage by retailers is to blame for the recent spate of ATM fraud.." and this “... Consumers might be surprised to learn that their PIN numbers are stored by merchants they shop at, and can be stolen from merchants by hackers.... There's a shift going on in fraud... Criminals are moving to where the cash is, and moving away from credit..."

(Ok, can't help it, I have to write it - maybe the criminals know that the credit crunch is coming too?)

It was advised in my readings that consumers "push away the PIN pad and sign a receipt instead. Doing so will limit the number of computer systems where a PIN may end up in storage."

Greg's non-use of credit cards still made him a victim of theft. I don't use debit cards, because I was always afraid that I would use the debit card and then forget about a check that still was waiting to clear my account. I like a paper trail for me to follow and the debit card never gave me that sense of security.

I shared Greg’s experience with some friends and family and this is what they advised:

Watch clerks carefully to see if they are double swiping your card. First they will swipe your card through a scanner to get your PIN and then they might tell you that the card didn't go through so, they have to swipe it again. Ask for the receipt for this or ask to see the console.

You also have to check the bank machines when you use them - the thieves can put a fake plastic insert into the card slot that is designed to retrieve your pin number.

Always cover one hand when entering your pin number. You never know who is in back of you or watching - heck we don't even trust the security cameras in stores!

Do not use your birth-date or some other easy number as your pin.

One lady who went through something similar wrote:

Some Guy was standing in line to use the ATM when He noticed the CCTV Camera was pointing at the ATM. He grew suspect about it and called the Police. Turned out that the Guys working at the Petrol Station were using the Camera to get the PIN Numbers and someone was on the outside picking the pockets of the public as they were turning away from the Machine.

Comments

Debbie Y. said…
Thanks for all the info. I just recently got a debit card from my bank. Now I wish I hadn't.
Lilly said…
Thanks Aleta. We are all going to have to be more careful than ever I think. People will start getting desperate and more reckless. I am a bit too blase I think so thanks for all the good advice.
A New Yorker said…
I don't even know my pin. I ONLY use my debit as a credit card. BUT even with that...someone a few years ago got my card number and took all my money from my savings account. There was only about $800 in there at the time but still. I got every penny back. They bought electronics at PC Richards way way out on LI. Anyway I had the card in my hand. It's called skimming. That's when they put something extra right into where you swipe. You would NEVER know it happened and they are recording your info and taking it with them as you leave. I hope they catch the "B's"!!!
Lindsey said…
Sometimes I think there's just soooo much to be cautious about. I knew to hit credit when at a store...but I didn't know why until now! Thanks!
Sue Wilkey said…
OMG this is so disturbing - like we aren't in bad enough shape money-wise. Thanks for the tip!
Constance said…
It's a shame we live in such a dishonest society.
Caroline said…
Ugh! So sorry to hear that! I got my wallet stolen last year and thankfully realized it quickly before too much damage was done (amazing how much was done in a few short hours though). I rarely use ATM's and I try to do it at my actual bank where it's pretty secure. I never use ATM's in convenience stores or stand alone!

Just know that the universe always works this out in time...karma is so powerful!
Kavi said…
I guess it is an universal problem ! It happens here too !

Numerous cases. I guess with every invention of a convenience, a convenient way of misusing it came bundled !

Thanks ! Will surely add to my conservative approach to such tools
Laurel said…
And another piece of advice, don't keep your PIN in your purse or wallet!!! I've seen people do this, one of them being a loved one, and thieves have wiped out bank accounts. You'd also be surprised how many people also keep identifying information on checks. Do not put your social security number, or even your driver's license number--in my opinion, on your checks. That way, clerks are more likely to ask for ID and it protects a bit more against identity theft. I've worked both the retail (and hated when people would say,"but my license is on the check!") and the bank side, so I definitely say people need to start protecting themselves.
GypsiAdventure said…
That is crazy! Thanks for sharing the info, you can never be too careful!
~K
Anonymous said…
Who invented Credit/Debit card ?
Geez. It's ridiculous that we have to worry so much about low-down criminals.
Rashikaps said…
Hey Aleta,

Thanks for sharing. Just the other day, I was telling a friend why it's important to get the credit limit on credit cards down to what we actually 'need'.. fraudulent transactions one needs to guard against.
Vikki North said…
Oh Aleta,
You know how I feel about this! I recently did a blog on the ‘old double swipe of a credit card’ (that happened to me). I don’t use debit cards at all anymore and tell my bank I don’t want one – including ‘No pin number! Thank you!.’ (You don’t have a pin number, you don’t have a problem.) It’s direct access to your cash and accounts. And my credit cards are with companies other than ‘my bank’.

The most important suggestion you make here is ‘check your transactions’. And never ever let a cashier take your card and hold it while your signing. If they have to swipe it for you, demand it back immediately before you do anything else. All it takes is a split second to divert your attention.

Vikki
Kellan said…
this is so scary and I'm always afraid something like this will happen to us. I'm like you, though, and I'm still using checks instead of my debit card. But, my hubby uses the debit card a lot.

Take care - Kellan
Kristi said…
I always feel like someone is watching me when I use any card! I figure it's better to be paranoid than ripped off. Even so, last year we had someone in Italy purchase a EuroRail pass for $800 with our bank info - at least they were doing something I'd rather be doing!! Our bank reimbursed us the entire amount.
Karen said…
Hi Aleta

I have just read your last 9 posts to catch up...sorry I have been an absent blogger/commenter lately.


There are a frightening amount of crooks in this world aren't there and it seems nothing is safe from their prying eyes? What a shame they don't put as much effort into doing something productive and within the letter of the law.


I just had to say too what a wonderful man Greg is. I read the post where the pics of him in the neck brace were found on the phone. I was amazed at his generosity towards the woman who ran into him. What a kind and loving heart he has and no wonder you always sound so happy. You've got yourself a good one there.


Once I have caught up I hope to get more regular with my visits again.
Aleta said…
Hi Debbie ~ Glad I could share. If my post helps anyone, it was well worth it!

Hi Lilly ~ "People will start getting desperate.." There's a lot of truth in that quote and that scares me all the more. A friend of mine has excellent credit. No credit cards were stolen, BUT, someone used my friend's good credit to apply for a card under the friend's name and made purchases - friend found this out because of a packet that was delivered to the home address. Yikes! Now we have to worry about credit cards out there with our names on it that we didn't apply for?!

Hi Lauren ~ I really can't stand thieves like this. We work so hard. I don't have much of a savings and with this wedding, well, no savings now, but it's the idea that we work hard enough and someone can wisk it away. I hope the police catches the B's too!

Hi Lindsey ~ Keep using the credit, but check out Lauren's post. Sometimes I think we need to go back to cash.

Hi Sue ~ No kidding. I hope the tips help!

Hi Annie ~ Thank heavens for fellow bloggers, it helps to know that there are good, decent people in the world.

Hi Caroline ~ It's it amazing what can be done? I think it's a "ring" of thieves ~ one gets the info and shares it with the group. Ughh..

Hi Kavi ~ There you go ~ "with every invention of a convenience, a convenient way of misusing it came bundled" ~ I couldn't have said it better!

Hi Laurel ~ Hmm, I'll have to check my checks. I don't think my lics # is on it anymore. I know my SS # is NOT on my lics. PIN # in the purse or wallet? Geez, that would make a happy thief.

Hi Kel ~ And really bad timing, what with the car accident and then the debit card. Sometimes you have to wonder about life and hold on until you are back on the upswing.

Hi Hobo ~ Ok, I did a quick Google ~ "The automted chip card was invented by German rocket scientist Helmut Grottrup and his colleague Jurgen Dethloff in 1968; the patent was finally approved in 1982." Seems it was first credit for pay phones and lead to the debit cards.

Hi Dysfunctional Mom ~ Like life isn't hard enough, right? Thanks for your compassion.

Hi Rashikaps ~ I agree with this. I plan on calling my credit card companies and decreasing the high limit. If I need that much money, I'll make a loan and get it on a contract with a specific set maturity date.

Hi Vikki ~ Now I'm going back in my mind about all the times where the cashier said "it didn't go through" and wanted to swipe the card a second time. I'm going to be extra careful. I'm hoping to pay off the credit cards and close them at this point.

Hi Kellan ~ Greg fusses sometimes that it takes too long for me to write out a check, but I really do prefer the paper trail and it's not so easy to swipe it!

Hi Kristi ~ Absolutely - Be Paranoid. We need more care being put into our every day spending when there are high-tech low down thieves in this world.

Hi Gypsy ~ You hit the nail on the head. These criminals are smart enough to figure a way around the system, why can't they get a job already? Awww.. Thank you for the comment about Greg. He really is a good guy. I'm glad my posts reflect the joy that he brings to my heart.
Renu said…
It is so frustrating to know the ways one can be cheated:(. Debit cards, considered to be a blessing are turning into a nightmare.
Aleta said…
Hi Renu ~ Thank you for visiting my site. Did you know that Debit cards were created not for the ease of people, but so that the banks could get the money transactions done quicker. Just another way for people to get to the hard earned money and steal.